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‘You have to be cut from the cloth’: The embodiments of Miami Heat culture



DWYANE WADE SPENT just one season playing alongside Jimmy Butler in Chicago, but that was all that was needed to form a deep — and familiar — impression.

“He’s a Heat guy,” Wade later told Erik Spoelstra, the coach of Wade’s longtime franchise, the Miami Heat.

Spoelstra probably didn’t need the future Hall of Famer’s recommendation — he saw from afar that Butler and his famous work ethic would fit within the team’s system — but those entrenched in Heat culture know when a player is one of them.

“You know what’s really cool about that?” Spoelstra asked a few days before Butler represented the Heat in this year’s All-Star Game. “Jimmy’s now talking like that. It’s cool. Not even because he heard it from Dwyane or heard it from me — it’s just he’s now in conversations [about other players], saying, ‘Yeah, this guy’s like us. This guy’s one of us.'”

Those who thrive in Miami are always searching for the next wave of like-minded players who will do the same.

Wade watched Butler work in Chicago and believed he’d fit in Miami. Bam Adebayo saw the way Tyler Herro played at Kentucky and planted a seed with president Pat Riley to draft him. Butler worked out with Herro last summer and recognized the same approach in the 20-year-old rookie that he used to turn himself into a five-time All-Star.

“Man, you had to go through something,” Miami lifer Udonis Haslem explained of the connection Heat players share. “You had to go through something in life that put a chip on your shoulder. And that’s built grit inside you that you’re willing to go through extreme circumstances to get where you’re trying to go.”

There’s a loyalty within the Heat’s culture that is rare in the NBA.

“Everyone thinks, ‘Oh, it’s so militaristic and hard-nosed,'” Heat big man Meyers Leonard said. “No, the Heat just want a level of professionalism … but truly at heart it’s loyal, caring people.”

From owner Micky Arison, to Riley, to Spoelstra, to the players, to the staff members who have been with the franchise for decades, there’s a familial quality to the Heat. It has been honed over the years through expectations of hard work and discipline.

But it’s not always for everyone.

“We are who we are,” Spoelstra said after a Game 3 win over the favored Milwaukee Bucks in the Eastern Conference semifinals. “Some years we’re a punchline, some years people say it’s the wrong culture, but who cares? We’re not making apologies for it.”

— Nick Friedell

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‘If you don’t have the wherewithal, it will break you’

QUENTIN RICHARDSON HAD heard the stories about the Heat Way before he arrived in Miami for the 2009-10 season. And on day one at the Heat facility, before he formally met anyone in the organization, the training staff measured his weight and body fat percentage. He was then given a conditioning goal he would have to meet. The “or else” wasn’t specifically defined, but the message was clear.

“It was real simple,” Richardson recalled. “‘I know you’re new here, but this is how it goes. If you have any disagreements, Pat Riley has an open-door policy. You can take it to him.'”

Richardson was then ushered into Riley’s office for a meet-and-greet, before being sent downstairs for a full workout, including multiple sets of wind sprints. When Richardson wasn’t running that afternoon, he was throwing up.

Richardson promptly purchased a high-end scale for his bathroom, where he weighed himself every morning. There would be no surprises when he walked into the facility and was sent for a weight and body fat check. He’d go on to lose around 35 pounds in six weeks.

The individual fitness standards are just one facet of a Heat culture that demands a buttoned-up professionalism from its players. The organization exudes intensity, and those who find that vibe repressive or conformist should probably seek employment elsewhere.

“It was the first time in my career — from top to bottom — there was no back and forth,” Richardson said. “You have to be cut from the cloth. If you don’t have the wherewithal, it will break you. It will make you not like basketball.”

When Richardson walked into the locker room before the first practice of training camp, two pairs of knee pads were resting at his locker. He told the trainer that he preferred not to wear them. The trainer told Richardson that knee pads were mandatory. Contact is so prevalent at Heat practices that players were often knocking knees. Rather than reduce the intensity, the team would just add protective gear, and Richardson should kindly choose between the lighter hex-pads or the pair with more cushion — but he would choose one.

“The message is, ‘You are preparing yourself for a war,'” said David Fizdale, who served as an assistant in Miami for eight seasons before head coaching stops with the Memphis Grizzlies and New York Knicks.

“Practices should be a war. Practices should be harder than the games.”

Though Heat players aren’t monks, a certain brand of moderation is practiced. On road trips, for example, a group of guys might set a plan when the team touches down. But whatever the itinerary that night, it will be informed by business.

“I know this is the only time we’re going to hit this city, but this is a big game tomorrow,” Richardson said of the discussions. “We’re going to go out, and we might have a drink or two, chill a little bit, then turn it in early and be ready for tomorrow. We’re not going to f— up tomorrow for tonight.”

“Practices should be a war. Practices should be harder than the games.” Former Heat assistant coach David Fizdale

Richardson notes that for 25 years, the Heat have had leadership on the roster that set the tone, players such as Alonzo Mourning, Dwyane Wade and Udonis Haslem who genuinely loved the structure, in large part because they believed it made them better players. The coaching staff generates goodwill by committing to the improvement of every player.

Richardson said that Miami was the first team he played for where every coach on staff, from Erik Spoelstra on down, worked with players on the floor. At the time, that role was often played by a developmental assistant.

The Heat Way, of course, was fashioned by Riley. His longevity as Heat president coupled with the enduring success of the franchise buys a lot of equity among players. It’s difficult to challenge convention when you play for an organization in which just about every principle has been with the franchise for more than two decades. The Heat demand a lot because they can.

“They want the kind of guys,” Fizdale said, “that want those expectations.”

— Kevin Arnovitz

‘If you’re here 10 years, you’re still one of the new guys’

FOR YEARS, WORKING for the Heat has been semi-jokingly referred to in NBA circles as joining “La Familia.”

While some of that comes from Pat Riley’s legendary personality and impeccable Armani suits, it also stems from Miami operating like a family organization — one that people join, and usually never leave.

Take the team’s organizational flow chart:

• Owner Micky Arison’s father, Ted, was the team’s original owner when it entered the league in 1988.
• General manager Andy Elisburg has been with the franchise since 1988.
• Coach Erik Spoelstra joined the team as a video coordinator just before Riley arrived in 1995.
• Spoelstra’s intern in the video room that year, Adam Simon, is now Miami’s assistant general manager.
• Tim Donovan, the team’s head PR man, came with Riley from New York.
• Chet Kammerer, a senior basketball advisor, has worked for the team since 1996.

The list goes on. The defining characteristic of the Heat organization — beyond its success over the past quarter-century, including three NBA titles — is how many of its employees have put down roots in a profession where that is unheard of.

As a member of the organization joked recently, “If you’re here 10 years, you’re still one of the new guys.”

In a cutthroat world of wins and losses, even the best NBA coaches, scouts and executives change teams several times over the course of their careers. There are even some teams — most notably the San Antonio Spurs under coach Gregg Popovich and general manager R.C. Buford — known for developing talent that other teams eventually hire away.

Since Riley chose to leave the New York Knicks and decamp to Miami in 1995, though, the Heat have become one of the most stable organizations in the NBA.

But that stability also plays a part in how the Heat go about their business. Teams in the NBA often fall prey to the whims of the moment, trying to chase short-term success to preserve their jobs. That doesn’t happen in Miami, save a spending splurge on their own free agents in the summer of 2017 that looked as if it could hamper the team going forward.

Instead, the Heat are one win from the NBA Finals three years later, with institutional knowledge — and the Heat lifers who possess it — playing no small part.

— Tim Bontemps

UD is the OG of Heat culture

DURING THE PLAYOFFS in 1999, Pat Riley once said, “You’ve got to want to win as much as you want to breathe.”

Moments later, inside the Miami Heat locker room, Riley dunked his head in a bucket of water for what seemed like an eternity.

As those witnessing became concerned, Riley eventually came up for air and roared, “Until your last breath!”

Ask anyone around the organization, over the past 17 years of Miami Heat basketball, no player embodies that mantra in the locker room more than Udonis Haslem, an OG of Heat culture.

Haslem, born and raised in Miami-Dade County, has spent 17 years with the franchise as an undrafted gem in 2003. The three-time champion’s impact on the franchise continues to be immeasurable.

And it almost never happened.

“The Heat didn’t offer me a deal after summer league,” Haslem said. “I went to play for the Spurs’ summer league team and they offered me a one-year deal. When the Heat found that out, they decided to offer me a two-year deal.

“I was on my way to Pop. A lot of people don’t know that.”

Haslem became a major contributor in some deep postseason runs, going for 17 points, 10 rebounds and 2 steals in a Game 6 closeout versus the Dallas Mavericks in the 2006 NBA Finals.

Dwyane Wade convinced LeBron James and Chris Bosh to take pay cuts in the summer of 2010 just to keep Haslem on the roster. He made good on their faith in him by gutting out a key win — on a busted left foot that had derailed most of his season — in Game 2 of the 2011 Eastern Conference finals against the Chicago Bulls.

“I was on my way to Pop. A lot of people don’t know that.”

Heat forward Udonis Haslem

“I always wanted to be there for those guys, because they took a chance on me,” Haslem said. “Back then nobody was taking pay cuts. So, I always wanted to make good on that for those guys.”

Now, he takes his duties as mentor as seriously as when he used to have to guard Dallas Mavericks legend Dirk Nowitzki in the NBA Finals.

“As a captain, I had to learn these guys,” Haslem said. “There is a whole generational difference here. So, being able to motivate these guys, comes from learning and hanging out with them.”

Since 2015, Haslem has started only 27 games, but he’s like an extra coach in the huddle. “Practices are my games,” he told The Undefeated’s Marc J. Spears last week.

And you’d be hard-pressed to find a person in the organization more widely respected.

“[Haslem] represents everything that Miami is,” said South Carolina men’s basketball head coach Frank Martin, a Miami native who coached Haslem in high school. “An underdog, hard-working, overachieving person that has always overcome others’ opinions in his relentless effort to find success.”

— Jorge Sedano

1995: The year Micky Arison turned up the Heat

A FEW DAYS after arriving for the Orlando bubble and looking for any way to make the environment feel something like home, Miami Heat staffers started putting a cardboard cutout of owner Micky Arison courtside during the team’s practices.

For years, Arison, now 71, had made it a habit, when his schedule allows, to attend practices and sit quietly alongside his son Nick, the team CEO, as well as general manager Andy Elisburg and president Pat Riley. They all got the cardboard cutout treatment in Orlando.

Both symbolically and literally, the Heat’s leadership is there every day and aligned in a supportive role.

Brutal training camp practices, Arison is there. Midseason light walkthroughs, Arison has been there. Dramatic Finals wins or heartbreaking defeats, Arison was there the next morning with his deep tan, long flowing gray hair and laid-back personality as disarming as any billionaire you’ll ever meet.

Needless to say, this is an unusual scenario in any American workplace, much less the NBA, which is often gripped with paranoia, intrateam drama and old-fashioned backstabbing. While it’s a basic act, in some ways it defines the way Arison has run his team for the past 25 years that has led to repeated success and the moniker “Heat culture.”

In 1995, Arison fought two fierce battles. The first was with two shareholders of the original Heat expansion franchise. Though Arison’s father, Ted, owned the largest stake in the team, when it was founded in 1988, the family didn’t have operational control. And in the first seven years of the team’s history, it had one winning season — at 42-40 — in 1993-94.

Arison, a permanent fixture in front-row seats, became frustrated in the struggles. The relationship with the partners soured and then went toxic, leading to threats, lawsuits and more infighting. After months of back-and-forth and hurt feelings, Arison finally struck a deal to buy out the other partners and emerge as the controlling owner with more than 80% of the team.

Two days after he closed the deal, also firing the head coach and installing a new GM, Pat Riley came to town. In a highly unusual move, Arison asked Riley, then the New York Knicks’ star coach whom he’d never met, if he could watch him run the Knicks’ off-day practice.

Naturally, Riley rejected the request, but the message was sent: Arison had a strong affinity for the coach.

Later that year, after Riley’s attempts to get a contract extension from the Knicks that included ownership shares failed, he resigned as head coach with a season left on his deal.

Within weeks, the Knicks had filed a tampering charge against Arison for going after Riley to be coach and run the front office. New York’s proof was a memo allegedly created by Riley’s attorneys with 14 contract requests from the Heat days before he’d actually resigned. The asks reportedly ranged from a five-year, $15 million salary to ownership shares to Arison buying Riley’s homes in Los Angeles and suburban New York.

Arison accused one of his former ownership partners with leaking information to the Knicks and helping their case. For almost three months, there was a standoff between the teams with then-NBA commissioner David Stern both holding a hearing on the tampering charge and trying to broker a deal through intense acrimony.

When it was over, Arison had won again. He agreed to pay the Knicks $1 million in cash plus a top-five protected first-round pick to get Riley out of his contract. Riley got his long-term deal and equity in the Heat, one of the greatest deals ever landed by an NBA executive. And, as it turned out, one of the greatest deals ever made by an NBA owner.

After those two battles, Arison has faded to the background on basketball decisions and let Riley work. He never again had to hire a coach — Riley promoted assistants Stan Van Gundy and then Erik Spoelstra — and reaped the rewards.

Within two years, the Heat were a 60-win team and in the conference finals in 1997. In the 25 years since he grabbed the team and made the sweeping move to land Riley, the Heat have made 19 playoff appearances, five Finals and won three titles. The franchise’s value has soared, at Forbes’ last projection, to $1.95 billion.

The Heat’s banners are there because of Riley, Dwyane Wade, LeBron James, Shaquille O’Neal, Chris Bosh and, who knows, maybe Jimmy Butler.

But the Heat’s success stems from Arison, and he quietly reminds everyone of it every day.

— Brian Windhorst


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Toronto FC hoping to make MLS Cup run having spent much of 2020 far from home



On a recent Thursday in Hartford, Conn., Toronto FC goalkeeper Quentin Westberg pondered the dichotomy of wanting to reach MLS Cup on Dec. 12, but also desiring to see his family again. Meanwhile, Jim Liston, the team’s director of sports science, was planning a trip to Lowe’s to buy 15 garbage cans so players could have an ice bath after training. As for manager Greg Vanney, he was fretting about his team’s health and the lack of practice time their schedule was affording.

Such is the life of a team as it attempts to not only navigate its way through the COVID-19 pandemic, but has been forced to do it away from home.

Due to travel restrictions between the U.S. and Canada, TFC — like the league’s other two Canadian teams, Montreal Impact and Vancouver Whitecaps — set up a “home” base in the U.S. for the remainder of the season; Toronto were stationed in Hartford. (Vancouver Whitecaps took roost in Portland, ground-sharing with Timbers, while Montreal Impact split use of New York Red Bulls’ facilities in Harrison, N.J.) This was on top of nearly every team spending nearly a month inside a bubble back in July at the MLS is Back Tournament outside Orlando, Florida.

The Reds spent about seven weeks back in Toronto as they played a series of matches against Canadian teams. In mid-September, the remainder of the regular season — and the temporary move to Hartford — beckoned. The vagabond nature of the campaign is what led Liston to joke that he was willing to discuss “whatever five seasons” the team has been through so far. But for Vanney and the players, the campaign has required a special kind of focus.

“A lot of what we’ve done here, and what we try to preach here is just control the controllables, and don’t get too drawn into the things you can’t,” Vanney told ESPN. “Roll with it, and make the best out of whatever the situation is.”

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Toronto has largely succeeded in spite of its odyssey. While there was disappointment at missing out on the Supporters’ Shield to the Philadelphia Union, TFC went 7-3-2 during its Hartford sojourn and finished with the second-best record in the league. But the challenges have still been immense. Simply being out of one’s home environment is difficult enough, but the time spent away from family and loved ones weighs heavy on the psyche, even as Vanney has given players the occasional trip back to Toronto — under quarantine — to reconnect with loved ones.

“It’s just very different, very challenging and emotionally exhausting,” Westberg said of his experience while based in Hartford.

Westberg has arguably had it tougher than most. The TFC goalkeeper is married with four children, including a baby girl who was born in June. For that reason, Westberg and his wife, Ania, made the decision at the end of September that it would be better for her and their kids to head back to his native France so they could be surrounded by family. Westberg called it “the least bad decision,” but there are difficulties nonetheless.

“I’m a very even person, and this year has challenged me a lot,” he said. “I’m still pretty even, but I keep a lot to myself and for sure there’s some difficult days, seeing your family [struggle] from your absence.”

The inability to be home has affected the players and staff in other ways. In Toronto, there are ways of disengaging from the game. Being with friends, loved ones or even in familiar surroundings can be the best medicine in terms of forgetting a bad game or training session. But in Hartford, at the team’s hotel, that escape is nearly impossible even as players try to distract themselves by reading or taking online classes.

“You don’t really unplug,” Westberg said. “You FaceTime family, or this or that, but it’s too short. You’re 100 percent focused on your soccer, and your whole day basically relies on being ready for whatever soccer activity that you have next, whether it’s practice or game. It’s good for your physique, it’s optimal for the way you eat and the way you [train]. But mentally, you’re not as fresh as your body.”

That isn’t to say there are only negatives to the separation. There is also an us-against-the-world mentality that Toronto has adopted, given that their players and personnel are experiencing the season in a way that is vastly different than most other teams. The team staff has done what it can to make their surroundings a home away from home, whether it’s personalizing the locker rooms at Rentschler Field or having hotel staff brand the surroundings in TFC colors. The hotel went so far as to bring in a barista who could consistently give the players their coffee fix. Supporters groups have even sent down banners in a bid to convey the fact that the players are remembered.

The care that TFC takes for players has extended to families back home, with the club supplying meals to loved ones three times a week.

On the logistical side, Liston made sure that one of the gyms used at MLS is Back was brought to TFC’s hotel in Hartford, and he remarked that the food at the hotel is “arguably the best we’ve ever had on the road.”

There have also been efforts to create new routines. Assistant coach Jason Bent, aka DJ Soops, has been in charge of the pregame music selection for the past 18 months — no easy feat for a squad that has a considerable international presence. In Hartford, Bent has set aside Thursday nights to spin music in one area of the hotel. He’ll even go live on Instagram or Twitch for those who prefer to relax in their rooms.

“[We] opened it to players and staff and basically anyone that’s part of our bubble to come relax, listen to music and just enjoy each other’s company,” Bent said. “I enjoy making people happy so if it’s helping everyone even in the slightest, I have no problem arranging the set and spinning.”

For Vanney, the pandemic and operating outside of the team’s home market has meant any number of challenges. He said the team has used three different training facilities in Hartford, with varying field conditions. He recognizes that the trips home are vital for the mental health of his players and staff, but any breaks also mean less time spent on the practice field. The compressed schedule, which at times involved games every three or four days, has had an impact as well. Even the best-laid plans in terms of squad rotation were impacted as minor injuries began popping up.

“We end up with a lot of guys in different positions because they need special kinds of treatment or care to help them get fit and back to health,” Vanney said. “So it ends up being a lot of different things kind of going on all at once, and that’s been the challenge of it.”

Recovery from matches has been complicated by the fact that TFC doesn’t have access to the same level of facilities that it does at home — hence Liston’s emergency trip to Lowe’s to fashion impromptu ice baths for the players. Then there are the different ways the players occupy themselves on the road as compared to home, especially amid the pandemic.

“There’s really no life outside of the hotel,” Liston said. “[At home], you may go walk the dog in the afternoon or go for a walk with your wife or friend or girlfriend or family and you’re out and about. The recommendation [here] is to kind of stay put. So you’ve got a really active population and pro athletes, who we’re asking them to be sedentary the rest of the time, kind of stay in the hotel from a COVID and safety standpoint. That’s not optimal for recovery either.”

There are also the creature comforts of home that are no longer available on the road, which can impact sleep.

“Sleep is the number one tool for recovery, and that’s definitely been a challenge,” Liston said. “We do well-being questionnaires and the scores on quality of sleep, and hours of sleep, just drop.”



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Another change has been same-day travel, which has drawn mixed reactions from the TFC players and staff. Vanney and Westberg are generally in favor, saying it reminds them of when they each played in France. Flying back the same night also means a training day isn’t lost. Liston has a different perspective in that he prefers arriving the day before, and then leaving the same day.

“I think [same-day travel] makes for a really long day,” he said. “And there’s definitely a negative impact on performance, taking three bus rides and a plane ride before your game. You’re getting home — it can be 12:30, but it could also be 1:30 in the morning, and that’s where you know our well-being scores and sleep hours and quality just disappear. When you have so many games in succession, you can’t make up the sleep.”

With the playoffs set to begin for TFC on Nov. 24, the end is in sight, even as it makes for a complex — and even conflicting — set of emotions.

“This is the tricky part. I miss them a lot,” Westberg said of his family. “But in a way I want to see them as [late] as possible in December, because obviously, there’s this idea that we want to do well in the playoffs and we want to keep going. TFC has a history of setting high standards and high expectations. It’s a heavy load to carry but also an exciting one.”

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Bettman: NHL is mulling temporary realignment



The NHL is considering a temporary realignment of its teams for the 2020-21 season due to COVID-19 travel restrictions, according to commissioner Gary Bettman.

Bettman said Tuesday that restrictions on travel across the Canadian border, as well as “limitations in terms of quarantining when you go from certain states to other states” within the United States, could mean the NHL creates a more regionalized alignment for its upcoming season.

“As it relates to the travel issue, which is obviously the great unknown, we may have to temporarily realign to deal with geography, because having some of our teams travel from Florida to California may not make sense. It may be that we’re better off — particularly if we’re playing a reduced schedule, which we’re contemplating — keeping it geographically centric and more divisional-based; and realigning, again on a temporary basis, to deal with the travel issues,” Bettman said during a 2020 Paley International Council Summit panel with fellow commissioners Adam Silver of the NBA and Rob Manfred of MLB.

The NHL board of governors has a meeting scheduled for Thursday which will provide a progress report and possible recommendations for a season format, based on talks between the league and the NHL Players’ Association. The target date for starting next season remains Jan. 1.

Bettman said the league is considering a few scheduling options for the 2020-21 season. Something that’s off the table: playing the entire season in the kind of bubbles the NHL had in Toronto and Edmonton, Alberta, to complete last season. But Bettman said teams opening in their own arenas is a possibility, along with a modified bubble.

“We are exploring the possibility of playing in our own buildings without fans [or] fans where you can, which is going to be an arena-by-arena issue. But we’re also exploring the possibility of a hub. You’ll come in. You’ll play for 10 to 12 days. You’ll play a bunch of games without traveling. You’ll go back, go home for a week, be with your family. We’ll have our testing protocols and all the other things you need,” he said.

Bettman also indicated that the NHL is exploring “a hybrid, where some teams are in a bubble, some teams play at home and you move in and out.”

The NBA’s board of governors unanimously approved a deal with the players’ union that sets the stage for a season that will open on Dec. 22 and with a reduced schedule of 72 games. Silver said that the commissioners are in communication on COVID-19-related issues, especially the NBA and the NHL, since the two leagues’ teams share arenas and, in some cases, team owners.

Silver said he senses that the NBA will have fans in many of its buildings this season.

“We’re probably going to start one way, where we’re maybe a little bit more conservative than many of the jurisdictions allow,” he said. “What we’ve said to our teams is that we’ll continue to work with public health authorities. Arena issues are different than outdoor stadium issues. There will be certain standards for air filtration and air circulation. There may be a different standard for a suite than there will be for fans spaced in seats.”

Silver said there will be standardized protocols that are consistent from arena to arena, such as proximity between players and fans: “In certain cases, for seats near the floor, we’re going to be putting in testing programs, where fans will certify that they’ve been tested — some within 48 hours, some within day of game.” While Silver supported a continued expansion of the NBA postseason through its play-in tournament, Bettman said that he’s not in favor of expanded playoffs or “playing with the fundamentals of the game.” The NHL had 24 teams in its postseason last summer.


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The Battleground States Where We’ve Seen Some Movement In The Polls



With apologies to The Raconteurs, the presidential race continues to be “steady as she goes,” with little sign of tightening despite a plethora of new polls. FiveThirtyEight’s presidential forecast gives Joe Biden an 89 in 100 shot at winning the election, while President Trump has just an 11 in 100 chance. This makes Biden the favorite, but still leaves open a narrow path to victory for Trump, for whom a reelection win would be surprising — but not utterly shocking.

At the same time, we also have fewer polls from live-caller surveys, which have historically been more accurate and have shown slightly better numbers for Biden, than polls that use other methodologies, such as polls conducted primarily online or through automated telephone calls. Nevertheless, while the overall picture has shifted only a little in recent days, a few battleground states have seen at least some movement in their polls, which has slightly altered the odds Biden or Trump wins in each of those places.

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